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Created by John Eipper on 11/18/20 3:03 AM

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On Dying for Your Country, Nuremberg (Eugenio Battaglia, Italy, 11/18/20 3:03 am)

If David Duggan is right (and I am afraid that he may have some good points) about the 90%-10 % ratio of followers of Trump versus followers of Biden ready to die for their country, this means that the Empire is really doomed, as is the US.

For all its allies and colonies, it is time to keep a good distance from such a decadent agglomerate of people (no nation, no country, no state).

Please, John, do not mention the Nuremberg Trials. These trials were mostly the "justice" of the winners. When it was presented that the winners did the same things, it was replied, "We are here to judge these people," meaning that no matter what the victors have done or will do in the future does not matter.  The only reality is vae victis as 2410 years ago.

What has been learned from these trials? Very simple. As confirmed in the past 74 years, as long as you are the winner you can do whatever you want. Of course, if you accompany your bloody actions with nice words like democracy, freedom, equality, etc. it helps.

JE comments:  Whenever Nuremberg comes up, I am reminded of what a treasure we had in our friend Siegfried Ramler, who was there.  I miss him.  Eugenio, Nuremberg was not solely victors' justice.  It set many powerful precedents on international law, human rights, and the fundamental principle that "obeying orders" is no excuse for committing genocide.

I was thinking yesterday about David Duggan's litmus test.  While I do not doubt that more Trump voters would willingly die for their country than those who voted against him, I can also name one person who would never join that patriotic 90%:  Donald J Trump.


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  • Nuremberg, Geneva, The Hague (Eugenio Battaglia, Italy 11/19/20 8:35 AM)

    When commenting on my post of November 18th, John E cited Nuremberg as setting powerful precedents for human rights and international law.  The various Geneva and The Hague International Conferences were much more effective in these regards, but they were not respected by both the winners and the losers.


    We have to concentrate on them and not on the "justice" of the winners, which never is real justice.


    JE comments:  Eugenio cited vae victis (woe to the defeated) in his suggestion that Nuremberg was little (or nothing) more than a kangaroo court set up by the winners of WWII.  There's probably some truth to this, especially if we consider the heavy hand of Soviet "justice."  But does this mean we have to dismiss Nuremberg?  The "moral relativism" argument only goes so far, and overlooks the unfathomable horrors of Axis atrocities.

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