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PostMyth of Appomattox; Sherman and Johnston (David Duggan, USA, 04/13/15 8:45 am)
Actually, more Confederate soldiers (86,000+) surrendered to Gen. Sherman on April 18 at Bennett Place, NC (near Durham) than to any other Union general. Sherman tried to impose certain political solutions in the terms of surrender which the War Cabinet rejected. Among those terms was the acceptance of the authority of the Federal Courts (as opposed to military tribunals). Grant and Lee had agreed only to an end to hostilities with a return of the rebs to civilian life. Ultimately, these were the terms agreed to between Sherman and his Confederate counterpart, Joe Johnston, on April 26, 1865.
JE comments: And in one of the Civil War's tidy denouements, Gen. Johnston was a pallbearer at Gen. Sherman's funeral (February 1891). It was a rainy day, but Johnston as a sign of respect refused to wear his hat. Legend has it that this was the cause of the pneumonia that killed Johnston a few weeks later.
Johnston, William Henry Harrison, and an Oklahoma Mystery; from Gary Moore
(John Eipper, USA
04/14/15 3:32 AM)
JE: Our friend in Memphis, Gary Moore, sends this response to David Duggan (13 April):
The William Henry Harrison Pantheon Of Environmental
Assaults On The Immune System thanks John Eipper for
the addition of General Joe Johnston to the ranks of those rebuking doctors who scold: "Drafts don't cause colds."
As the President and the General might agree, it sort of depends on the draft.
(The Daughters of the Confederacy et al. had long considered
Johnston's surrender the real end in their calculations of things
like Confederate Memorial Day. And even this was not final
for ᏕᎦᏔᎦ at Albert Pike's bizarre fortress in Oklahoma--
as your many authorities there can no doubt affirm.)
JE comments: I asked Gary for clarification on the final paragraph, especially the cryptic ᏕᎦᏔᎦ reference, which showed up as incomprehensible scribbles on my antediluvian computer at the College. Gary wrote back that my quandary was precisely his intent. He sent a clue in the form of the link below, with the assurance that the Oklahomans of WAISworld will understand. Hint: it might have to do with Vikings and runestones.
Richard Hancock, we need you!
Who else belongs to the Pantheon of Environmental Assaults on the Immune System? The requirements for membership: you have to be historically significant, and catch your "death of cold" at a frigid and wet public ceremony.
Oklahoma's Heavener Runestone
(Richard Hancock, USA
04/14/15 11:11 AM)
In response to Gary Moore (14 April), Nancy and I have visited the Heavener runestone. I have read commentaries on this phenomenon. The most likely explanation according to the state archeologist is that this stone was carved by home-sick Scandinavian settlers. This seems likely, because no other evidence of Vikings visiting the Oklahoma area has been found.
JE comments: I knew Richard Hancock would know!
Now, I hope Gary Moore will tell us what the runestones have to do with General Albert Pike. Bonus points if you know what city Pike was born in. Big hint: it's the very last US city you'd ever guess would spawn a Confederate officer.
Oklahoma's Runestones; from Gary Moore
(John Eipper, USA
04/15/15 12:55 PM)
JE: The Viking-Oklahoma enigma continues. Gary Moore sends this response to Richard Hancock:
My thanks to Richard Hancock (14 April) for his attention to the runestone riddle
(with his own riddle in return, in his reference to August 14--which is my birthday;
the runestone has strange ways). However, my introduction of the online
maze relating to the runestone is not meant to suggest that the squiggly
characters (ᏕᎦᏔᎦ) are Viking/Old Norse. The online runestone maze
does point to them, but as it shows, these characters come from another
Oklahoma syllabary (that's a big hint). Isn't there a WAISer whose ancestry
is Chickasaw? That's not directly it, but close--and links to the discussion
about the Civil War, General Johnston, Albert Pike, the mystery fortress
out by the Red--and many things Oklahoman that illumine a wider
Indeed, Richard Hancock's diagnosis saying the runestone was probably carved
not by real Vikings but by nostalgic Scandinavian settlers is right to the point.
But which settler would have done such a thing? Who could possibly have been,
simultaneously, both a remarkably determined hoaxer and a knower of Old Norse,
able to patiently chip real Viking characters into the runestone--while also roaming
the outlaw wilds of Indian Territory in the late nineteenth century?
There is a prime suspect, never before exposed. The online maze leading
to that secret also exposes many other Oklahoma secrets along the way--
including ᏕᎦᏔᎦ--which might be said to stand for the real end of the
JE comments: A big mea culpa for the August reference above. I meant to write April--one "A" month is as good as the next. But our runestone enigma grows ever thornier. Is it a coincidence that I erroneously hit on Gary Moore's birthday?
As for our Chickasaw WAISer--that's none other than Randy Black. Randy: as a Native American and an (almost) Oklahoman, it's your turn to figure out this mystery. My first thought is that Sequoyah might have a hand in it.
Oklahoma Runestone: The Mystery Continues (from Gary Moore)
(John Eipper, USA
04/17/15 4:05 AM)
JE: Our friend in Memphis, Gary Moore, adds an additional clue to his post of 15 April:
In the Oklahoma Runestone Riddle, WAISfed now intermittently between more urgent topics, John Eipper's eerie birthday radar has done it again, homing in on Clue 13 of the online Runestone Maze, here:
Follow the Clue Rocks--though the resulting answer (ᏍᏏᏉᏯ), and indeed ᏕᎦᏔᎦ of the original Civil War discussion, form only way-stations leading into the maze's depths.
JE comments: I think I'm starting to catch on, but for the full resolution of the puzzle, I'll defer to the WAISitudes.
Oklahoma Runestone and New Mexico's Decalogue Stone
(Enrique Torner, USA
04/22/15 2:13 AM)
Speaking of runestones (see Gary Moore, 17 April), is any WAISer acquainted with the Decalogue Stone in Los Lunas, New Mexico? The stone weighs 80-100 tons, and the writing is in old Hebrew, with a few Greek letters. It contains an adaptation of the Ten Commandments.
There seems to be a controversy regarding its authenticity, but, if it is genuine, it would prove that some Hebrews arrived in America way before Columbus and the Vikings. The actual time of discovery of the stone is not known, but it was known by the locals as far back as the 1850s. I would like to know an informed opinion regarding its date. I find it fascinating. Some say it's authentic; others differ. Here are a couple of links of different opinion:
JE comments: I didn't know about this! New Mexico native Richard Hancock referred to Los Lunas in June of last year, but no mention of the Decalogue Stone.
Enrique Torner sent this image. This has to be a hoax from some 19th-century prophet or scholar. Why would the Ancient Hebrews wander as far as New Mexico?
Runestones and Decalogue Stones; from Gary Moore
(John Eipper, USA
04/23/15 9:39 AM)
JE: Gary Moore responds to Enrique Torner (April 22) on the Decalogue Stone:
The quaint nineteenth century, though lacking post-millennial forgery tools,
had a robust tradition of faking wonderfully vindicating ancient objects that
were mysteriously found in the darnedest places. I thank Enrique for cluing
me in about the Decalogue Stone in New Mexico, of which I was unaware, but as in many
of these cases, enthusiasts tended not to see the broad view of other such objects
in other geographical areas, each with its isolated hoax clues, which, in the
aggregate, don't leave the Emperor with many New Clothes.
For a rambling but ultimately inclusive tour, including Ancient-Hebrews-in-America:
JE comments: The era of Archeological Hoaxes probably came to a close in the early 20th century, with the Piltdown Man, who baffled scholars for forty years. The link above is an amusing read, a window into an era when shysters and visionaries (often they were one and the same) came up with some of the most fanciful archeological "innovations."
- Runestones and Decalogue Stones; from Gary Moore (John Eipper, USA 04/23/15 9:39 AM)
- Oklahoma Runestone and New Mexico's Decalogue Stone (Enrique Torner, USA 04/22/15 2:13 AM)
- Oklahoma Runestone: The Mystery Continues (from Gary Moore) (John Eipper, USA 04/17/15 4:05 AM)
- Oklahoma's Runestones; from Gary Moore (John Eipper, USA 04/15/15 12:55 PM)
- Oklahoma's Heavener Runestone (Richard Hancock, USA 04/14/15 11:11 AM)