Previous posts in this discussion:
PostSeventieth Anniversary of Dresden Firebombing (Nigel Jones, UK, 02/13/15 1:28 pm)
I am frankly sick of all this breast-beating, hand-wringing and boo-hooing over the destruction of Dresden. (See Eugenio Battaglia, February 13th.)
Who--pardon my French--bloody well started bombing in Europe? Who reduced Guernica and Rotterdam and Warsaw to ashes and tried to do the same to many British cities?
The Germans: that's who!
As Arthur Harris, chief of RAF Bomber Command pithily stated: "They have sown the wind and will reap the whirlwind." They did: and rightly so.
If they didn't like the result they should not have started the game.
And I am frankly surprised that Eugenio cites the British "historian" David Irving in support of his arguments. Irving is a Hitler-admiring Nazi apologist who was jailed for propagating his vile creed in Austria and was utterly discredited in his Libel Action in London against Penguin books over his Holocaust denial. No reputable publisher on either side of the Atlantic has touched him for twenty years.
Today's Germany is inflicting economic warfare on southern Europe rather than the military might of old, but the game remains the same: conquer and dominate. It's in the German genes. As Churchill said of them, "They are either at your feet or at your throat." For fifty years after WWII they were grovelling on the floor, their old militarism muted by war guilt. Today they are feeling strong again and Greece, Spain et al. are feeling the effects.
JE comments: Nigel Jones is not one to pull punches. But let's put aside war guilt to ask a simple question: did the Dresden apocalypse shorten the European war by even one week? Perhaps even more importantly, did any of the Allied strategists in February 1945 think it would?
Massoud Malek (next in queue) offers a novel thesis: Dresden was payback for the Germans' bombing of Guernica. I'm intrigued, although not really convinced.
David Irving; Italy's Military Adventures Today
(Eugenio Battaglia, Italy
02/15/15 4:52 AM)
I wish to thank Nigel Jones and Massoud Malek (both 13 February) for their clear explanations of the firebombing of Dresden, because finally I have understood their argument: war crimes as well as military coups are very good if they favor us, but at the same time they are very bad if against us.
The law by which David Irving ended up in jail in Austria exists also in Italy. I wonder when it will be extended also for the study of Emperors Nero and Caligula.
Frankly I believe that a law that specifies what should be said about a historical fact is ridiculous. History is beautiful because you always find new facts. Depending on which ones you look at, everything can change.
Also in Italy, Parliament has been discussing a new law (they are all in favor but it has not yet been enacted), that one can go to jail for being an apologist for Fascism. This certainly is of great interest and concern for me.
On a different topic, the Italian Foreign Minister Gentiloni has stated that if the UN decides to do so, Italy is ready to send troops to Libya, from where all Italian nationals have been ordered to withdraw. Italy already has committed troops to Afghanistan, Iraq, Syria (against IS), Lebanon, Somalia, Balkans and with small missions in other places, even East Timor. This is a total of twenty-two (22) missions!
JE comments: The exodus of Libyan boat people has become a daily event. Eugenio wrote me this morning that just yesterday, the Italian navy rescued six boats with over 600 refugees. I hope Eugenio Battaglia will send us more updates on this developing humanitarian crisis.
Massoud Malek and Nigel Jones are in agreement? Has anyone noticed that the WAISworld planets have aligned in bizarre ways recently? Tor Guimaraes, for example, is now seconding the opinions of Randy Black, and several of our hawks have become doves about Ukraine.