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Created by John Eipper on 08/27/14 8:47 AM

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"Let Allah Sort It Out": Arnaud Amalric (John Heelan, UK, 08/27/14 8:47 am)

Massoud Malek (27 August) mentioned Sarah Palin's Facebook message titled "Let Allah sort it out." Yet another Freudian slip from a candidate for high political office in the United States that reveals her true ideology?

She adapts the phrase attributed to Arnaud Amalric, the 13th-century Cistercian abbot who took a prominent role in the massacres of the Cathars by the Catholic Church. Abbot Amalric is reputed to have advised a soldier worried about killing orthodox believers in the massacres: "Kill them. For the Lord knows those that are His own."

Heaven help the world if somebody like Palin was entrusted with a nuclear trigger.

JE comments: Seems to me this wasn't a Freudian slip, but in any case, Gov. Palin's career in politics is probably over. Hasn't she found a friendlier and more lucrative career as a celebrity talking head?

Bienvenido Macario is WAISworld's Facebook virtuoso.  Bienvenido:  can you find us the link to the "Let Allah Sort It Out" page?


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  • "Let Allah Sort It Out" and Sarah Palin (Randy Black, USA 08/27/14 2:28 PM)
    In John Heelan's 27 August post, he commented on Massoud Malek's mention of a June 2013 quote on Sarah Palin's Facebook page. Palin commented on the murders of Syrians by the Assad government and the related attacks by Syrian terrorist groups on Syrians when she commented, "Let Allah sort it out." In context, it is clear that she was seething with sarcasm. If you follow my link, you might draw the same conclusion.

    John Eipper asked for the Facebook link to that statement. It is below.


    I'm not quite sure how Palin's year ago thoughts on Syrians killing Syrians using chemical WMDs on its own people, or Islamic terrorists pretty much committing their own genocides on Syrians relates to Palin and nuclear triggers, but I'll try to put Palin's comments in context.


    One year ago this week, The LA Times reported that Palin addressed the matters of Obama's hypocrisy on the chemical weapons issues and the murders by Syrian President Assad of his own people. Obama had indicated that the red line in the sand, if crossed, would result in US intervention. While the evidence was clear that the line was crossed, Obama accomplished little. The slaughter of Syrians continues.


    In June 2013, Palin opined, "So we're bombing Syria because Syria is bombing Syria? And I'm the idiot?" wrote Palin, apparently still stinging at some of the barbs directed at her intellect during the 2008 presidential campaign and after, when she became a heroine of the Tea Party wing of the GOP.


    "We didn't intervene when over 100,000 Syrians were tragically slaughtered by various means, but we'll now intervene to avenge the tragic deaths of over 1,000 Syrians killed by chemical weapons, though according to the White House we're not actually planning to take out the chemical weapons because doing so would require 'too much of a commitment.'" Note: Did anyone ever ask if Assad's chemical weapons were somehow related to the WMDs that were not yet discovered in Iraq a decade ago? It was rumored at the time that they'd been transferred to Assad's country for "safekeeping." Just a thought.


    In any case, like many Americans, Palin wondered what the ultimate American goal in Syria would be: "President Obama wants to do what, exactly? Punish evil acts in the form of a telegraphed air strike on Syria to serve as a deterrent?"


    From 2013: Palin, whose statement on Facebook had garnered more than 77,000 "likes" by early Saturday evening, ended with a familiar snarky sentiment that she has expressed in the past:


    "If we are dangerously uncertain of the outcome and are led into war by a Commander-in-chief who can't recognize that this conflict is pitting Islamic extremists against an authoritarian regime with both sides shouting ‘Allah Akbar' at each other," wrote Palin, "then let Allah sort it out."


    Source: Aug. 31, 2013


    http://articles.latimes.com/2013/aug/31/local/la-me-ln-sarah-palin-on-syria-let-allah-work-it-out-2013083 1


    Palin's Facebook link:  https://www.facebook.com/photo.php?fbid=10151832583113588&l=9dad685d2e



    JE comments: Actually, I would have expected Sarah Palin's Facebook quip to garner far more than 77,000 "likes."  (It's up to 86,000 now, and one of the likers is Duane Johnson.  I thought that meant The Rock, but he spells his name Dwayne.) 


    "Let Allah sort it out" is not Churchillian or Lincolnian rhetoric. But I sense Palin is striving more for pop celebrity than stateswoman status.

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    • Sarah Palin's Sarcasm (John Heelan, UK 08/29/14 6:49 AM)
      Randy Black (28 August) suggests that Sarah Palin was being sarcastic with her "Let Allah sort it out" remark.

      Perhaps Ms Palin should reflect on Cassandra Clare's comment in her book City of Bones: "Sarcasm is the last refuge of the imaginatively bankrupt." Some might agree with the author in this case.


      JE comments:  Yes, but Sarah Palin is scrappy and very good at being Sarah Palin. Sarcasm suits her folksy image, and it works for her intended audience--note the 86,000 Facebook "likes."



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      • Sarah Palin's Sarcasm (Rodolfo Neirotti, USA 08/30/14 8:41 AM)
        John E made this comment about Sarah Palin (see John Heelan's post of 29 August): "[She] is scrappy and very good at being Sarah Palin. Sarcasm suits her folksy image, and it works for her intended audience--note the 86,000 Facebook 'likes.'"

        The 86,000 Facebook "likes" is a good example of the amount of "egg heads" in the country. Unfortunately they are not a majority, as Adlai Stevenson once said after someone congratulated him for a brilliant speech.


        JE comments: Or fortunately? I'm a bit confused, but I believe Rodolfo Neirotti's point is that Adlai Stevenson made brilliant speeches and they never got him elected president.  But Stevenson ran against Eisenhower--twice. And nobody could have beaten Ike.

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        • Adlai Stevenson (Harry Papasotiriou, Greece 09/04/14 7:30 AM)
          The Adlai Stevenson story (see Rodolfo Neirotti, 30 August), is as follows. A woman told him after one of his speeches: "Mr Stevenson, you will get every thinking man's vote." He replied: "Yes madam, but I need a majority."

          JE comments:  Wisdom for the ages, or even prophecy.  The level of electoral thinking today is just a fraction of what it was in the 1950s.  Mid-term elections in the US are upon us, and it seems that 90% of the TV spots are attacks of the vilest sort:  democracy reduced to thirty seconds of vitriol.


          "[We] must avoid becoming a community of dreadful fear and hate, and be instead, a proud confederation of mutual trust and respect."  This is from Eisenhower, who supposedly wasn't the thinking man's candidate.

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  • "Let Allah Sort It Out" and Sarah Palin (Bienvenido Macario, USA 08/28/14 3:49 AM)
    On June 15, 2013, Sarah Palin was addressing the Faith and Freedom Coalition in Washington, DC when she made the "Let Allah Sort It Out" comment objecting to US intervention in Syria. The former VP candidate's statement contradicted her running mate Sen. McCain's position that the US must arm the Syrian rebels who were seeking to overthrow Assad.

    This was after Pres. Obama declared Assad "has crossed the red line," referring to confirmed reports Assad had in fact used chemical weapons on the rebels.


    On the topic of IS, it is not so much of pulling out US troops prematurely but rather giving too much power to a very fragile semblance of democracy too soon. Nouri al Maliki's gross mismanagement of Iraq was allowed to go on long after the IS has started their rampage. Reports say that IS is nowhere as successful at taking predominantly Shiite Iraqi cities and population centers.

    JE comments:  This is last year's news, but let me see if I have this right:  Palin was simultaneously criticizing Obama's failure to intervene in Syria, as well as his promise to intervene?
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    • "Let Allah Sort It Out" and US Policy in Middle East (Eugenio Battaglia, Italy 08/29/14 1:47 AM)
      From following the news and the various WAIS posts on the Middle East, I have concluded that the new policy of the Empire towards Syria and Iraq is the following: the air force will bomb the IS forces but will not coordinate with the so-far legal government of Syria. At the same time, it supports the rebels, believed to be the good guys, against the same Syrian government and IS.

      I just wonder how in the bloody mess of the Middle East, the Empire, which up to now has shown a poor understanding of the local political, historical, and geographical conditions, can distinguish the good from the bad rebels. Might the good ones be required to wear a rose or a small olive branch on their shirt?


      Considering that the area is full of the vestiges of perhaps 10,000 years of human civilization, I worry about the possible destruction of important archeological monuments.


      I saw what happened during WWII in Italy. The huge destruction of art works by bombing, churches, monasteries (Montecassino in primis), museums etc. and the generally forgotten bombing of Pompei on 7 September 1943, as it was believed that a German division was hiding there.


      An American friend of mine, a stamp collector, had a series from the RSI depicting the monuments destroyed by bombing.  He asked me what such churches and monuments meant. I answered that they were the monuments wiped out by bombing. The nice fellow immediately answered: "Impossible; we never do that!" He was really convinced of it.


      JE comments:  Eugenio's philatelist friend is probably typical of the American view:  we don't destroy cultural artifacts; that's the kind of thing barbarians like Taliban do, as with the Buddhas of Bamiyan.  The rise of precision weapons and films such as The Monuments Men only reinforces this belief.


      A question:  do we have any sense of what cultural relics were destroyed as "collateral damage" by US/NATO bombing in Iraq, Afghanistan, Pakistan, etc?


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  • Cathars...and Zara (Enrique Torner, USA 08/29/14 11:40 AM)
    John Heelan's statement that Sarah Palin's phrase "Let Allah sort it out" was adopted from Arnaud Amalric is hard to fathom. Nobody but erudites like us knows him, or the Cathars. I bet if I asked my colleagues in my department nobody would have even heard of him! I agree though that the Cathars were horribly victimized by the Catholic church. There are even several novels about them, one of them a bestseller by Julia Navarro: La sangre de los inocentes (The blood of the innocents), which I strongly recommend.

    On a different note, in recent days there was an interesting piece of news online: the famous Spanish retailer Zara had a kid's shirt pulled from their stores because it resembled the uniforms worn by Jewish inmates in WWII concentration camps. Here is the link:


    http://www.cnn.com/2014/08/27/living/zara-pulls-sheriff-star-shirt/



    Zara's owner, Amancio Ortega, is now the fourth richest person on earth, according to Forbes:


    http://www.forbes.com/profile/amancio-ortega/



    Could a world retailer the size of Zara be ignorant enough not to know? Hard to believe!


    Finally, I agree with the last post by Vincent Littrell.  I believe that Eugenio Battaglia saying that God telling presidents of the United States what to do is blasphemous was out of place. Holy Scriptures, whichever they are, right or not, should at least receive respect, and likewise for the persons quoting them, which is what Vincent was doing. Vincent had been bold enough to open up and confess his faith, and Eugenio criticized him. In today's world, it seems that agnostics and atheists, even though they are a minority, dominate (or try to dominate) people of faith. That's where it would be good for people of different faiths to unite to defend our constitutional rights, which are slowly being taken away.


    JE comments:  Eugenio Battaglia wasn't criticizing anyone's faith, but rather the idea that US Presidents (the secular arm) could or should claim a "divine mandate" for their actions.


    WAIS has had several discussions on the Cathars.  Here's a lengthy post from 2005:


    https://waisworld.org/go.jsp?id=02a&objectType=post&o=65008&objectTypeId=59258&topicId=152



    Returning to Zara, the shirt is in shockingly poor taste.  Click above and judge for yourself.  Was it an "honest mistake" by Zara's designers?  Interestingly enough, I learned during our summer trip to Bilbao that Spanish business schools study Zara for its product and marketing excellence.  Retail-wise, it's the Apple of Spain.  This is definitely not the case with this shirt--although guess what?  Bad publicity is almost as effective as good publicity...it gets people talking about your brand.

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    • Cathars, Sheridan, and Sarah Palin (Mike Bonnie, USA 08/31/14 7:47 AM)
      Regarding Sarah Palin's sarcastic remark, "Let Allah sort it out," she by no means has cornered the market on outrageous remarks. At best, she mimes derivation of words from Arnaud Amaury or Arnaud Amalric (died 1225); to add to what John Heelan pointed out on August 27th. During sacking of the French town of Béziers in 1209, Amaury, the legate of the Pope Innocent III, when asked for what to do with Catholics mixed in with the heretics at Béziers, answered: "Kill them all, and let God sort them out" (the exact sentence is: "Caedite eos. Novit enim Dominus qui sunt eius"; a better translation would be: "Massacre them, 'cause God knows his own.")

      "The phrase has been called a misapplication of 2 Timothy 2:19, 'Nevertheless the foundation of God standeth sure, having this seal, The Lord knoweth them that are His.'"


      http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Caedite_eos._Novit_enim_Dominus_qui_sunt_eius


      Pope Innocent III is the same mentioned by Ronald Hilton in his 2001 post "Christian Unity: Pope John Paul II in Athens," which briefly discusses schisms in Christian and Muslim religions. http://waisworld.org/go.jsp?id=02a&objectType=post&o=65228&objectTypeId=59478&topicId=152


      Pope Innocent III is also mentioned in previous posts regarding Nazism, abortion, and genocide.


      As despicable as Sarah Palin's remark is a phrase attributed to General Phillip Sheridan. In January 1869, General Sheridan met with fifty Indian chiefs at Fort Cobb in what was then called the Indian Territory (later part of Oklahoma). "When Comanche chief Toch-a-way was introduced to Sheridan at the conference, the Indian said, 'Me Toch-a-way, me good Indian.' Sheridan reportedly smirked and replied, 'The only good Indians I ever saw were dead.' Later on, the remark became 'The only good Indian is a dead Indian.'" http://www.trivia-library.com/b/origins-of-sayings-the-only-good-indian-is-a-dead-indian.htm


      Sheridan, a cavalryman, gained a reputation during the US Civil War for his "scorched earth policies." He later served as the ninth president of the National Rifle Association. We here in Wisconsin and neighboring Illinois are reminded of General Sheridan due to Sheridan Road, which "begins in Chicago, continues mostly along the shoreline of Lake Michigan for about 60 miles through the North Shore suburbs and leads to the town of Fort Sheridan and ultimately Racine, Wisconsin. The landmark former US Army base named for the general is now an upscale residential community."


      http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Philip_Sheridan


      JE comments:  Pope Innocent III--not so innocent.  The sacking of Constantinople (1204) also took place under his watch.  I don't know about Innocents I and II.  Sheridan was also made Commanding General of the US Army in 1883, succeeding William T. Sherman.  It was a time when scorched earth ruled the day, but both were brutally effective military leaders.

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