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Post Ginsberg, Moloch, and Trump
Created by John Eipper on 08/27/19 10:52 AM

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Ginsberg, Moloch, and Trump (John Heelan, UK, 08/27/19 10:52 am)

Did not Athens send poets into exile "because they told the truth"? Maybe Allen Ginsberg and various rap artists should be looking over their shoulders? When they use Moloch as a metaphor for capitalism and for America specifically.

In Ginsberg's poem "Howl" (1955), he evoked Moloch, claiming "Moloch! The vast stone of war whose fingers are ten armies: whose skyscrapers stand in the long streets like endless Jehovahs: Moloch whose love is endless oil and stone: Moloch whose fate is a cloud of sexless hydrogen (or WW3)."  Consider this in the context of the dangerous admix of Trump and Bolton, neither of whom understands the rôle of diplomacy.

It does not demand the skills of a literary critic to understand that perhaps Ginsberg was predicting the eventual emergence of somebody like Trump.

The University of Pennsylvania has a magnificent online course on American poetry (recommend it).

JE comments:  Ginsberg does read as far more modern than 64 years would suggest.  But here in the US we don't exile poets.  Sadly, we ignore them.

Regarding Trump, we've heard several metaphors in recent days:  protein, Moxie, and now oil, stone, and sexless hydrogen.  Nicknames are a metaphor of sort.  Here are 409 of them:


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