Login/Sign up

World Association of International Studies

Post Allied Bombing of Stettin/Szczecin
Created by John Eipper on 06/11/19 12:24 AM

Previous posts in this discussion:


Allied Bombing of Stettin/Szczecin (Eugenio Battaglia, Italy, 06/11/19 12:24 am)

My nasty tendency to play the Bastian Contrario suggests to me that the tale of the withdrawal of anti-aircraft guns from Stettin/Szczecin to Berlin on Hitler's birthday is a load of wet green firewood that was sold to John E.  (See the comment of our estimated moderator to John Torok's post of 8 June.)

According to my records, Stettin received bombardments from the early times of war, the worst being on 21 April 1943 and 6 January 1944.  The catastrophic one was the following 17 August when the town was completely transformed into rubble with at least 2430 deaths.The number of German deaths by bombardments is a question of opinion; see the case of Dresden where the deaths vary from 25,000 to 200,000.

Also Danzig/Gdansk, the town for which it is said that the war, started was completely destroyed on 26 March 1945. Why, and was it worth it?

About Szczecin there is something not well known.

On October 1942 the Third Reich requested two Italian Battalions (initially about 2000 men) specialized in the production of smoke curtains to protect Stettin and the nearby strategic military bases of Peenemunde and nearby small islands.

After the king's unconditional surrender of Italy, the battalions remained loyal to their ally and joined the RSI while the battalions increased to five due to the importance of the area. In the final days of the war, the Italians became infantry fighting against the British from West and the USSR from East until 3 May 1945, when the RSI flag was lowered. Other RSI battalions were fighting also from the Courland Pocket to Bordeaux, etc.

About the ethnic cleansing of the cemeteries, it happened not only in Stettin/Szczecin but for instance also in Istria, Fiume and Dalmatia, as the expelled defeated should be also humiliated and then forgotten for good.

About the purchase of Italian firms by foreigners:  from 1 January 2008 at least 850 have been taken over while Italy bought about 350.

France has been extremely interested in fashion (Bulgari, Gucci, etc.) , agro-industrial (Loro Piana, Orzo Bimbo, Eridania, Galbani, Parmalat, Invernizzi, Locatelli, the last one was Nuova Castelli producing Parmigiano Reggiano and Mozzarella di Bufala cheeses, etc.), electrotechnic/Electromechanical plants and banks.

When Italy tried to buy the shipyard of Saint Nazaire or when FCA wanted to join Renault the French government said no. This is the free market in the EU.

Other foreigners who bought Italian firms: Spain focusing on olive oil production, China (Moto Benelli), Japan, Russia, Germany, South Africa (beer), Switzerland, Turkey (chocolate), India (steel).

The interest in buying Italian firms, beside the economic difficulties, is due to the fact that the state makes a lot of concessions to the buyer which when has got the expertise and the money, and quite often after some time transfers the production to their home country or to another country where the labor is cheaper.

JE comments:  I wasn't trying to say that Stettin/Szczecin was bombed only on Hitler's birthday.  According to the exhibits in the Szeczin bunkers, there were some 40 major raids, with minor ones almost daily.

Eugenio, has the history of the Italians fighting on the Baltic ever been written?

On a tangentially related topic, I present to you Adolf (real name), a street cat much beloved in Szczecin.  For the past five years he has lorded over the splendid Castle of the Pomeranian Dukes.

Heil Adolf! Duke of Szczecin, June 9th, 2019

Rate this post
Informational value 
Reader Ratings (0)
Informational value0%

Visits: 176


Please login/register to reply or comment: Login/Sign up

  • Italians Fighting in the Baltic, WWII (Eugenio Battaglia, Italy 06/12/19 10:03 AM)
    You may find the story of the Italian forces of the RSI including the groups abroad, in the three volumes of the Forze Armate della RSI by Nino Arena.

    There is also the four-volume Gli Ultimi in Grigio Verde by Giorgio Pisanò.

    I do not know if there is a book specifically dedicated to the five Battalions Fumogeni in Stettin. Of course there are several magazines of the ex RSI (and their heirs) that have published articles on these forces. Please note that on 9 September 1943 180,000 Italian soldiers did not try to go home but remained in the lines fighting together with their German ally, then became part of the armed forces of the RSI.

    These 180,000 men were serving on practically all fronts. They did not want to betray the Axis but at the same time they wanted to remain fighting under the Italian Flag and not the German one.

    The most interesting is the Decima Mas of Borghese, which signed a pact of alliance with Germany through Berninghaus, leader of the Kriegsmarine in Italy. On a few occasions there were threats of armed confrontations, when the forces of the RSI felt that the interests of Italy were not respected by the Germans, especially in the Northeast of Italy.

    JE comments:  This is sort of off-topic, but I observed in my father-in-law's extensive library that Polish historians are fond of the multi-volume work.  As Eugenio Battaglia shows above, the same rule applies to the Italians.  We have no such tradition in the US or the UK.  Do we Anglos have shorter attention spans, or simply less to say?


    Please login/register to reply or comment:

Trending Now

All Forums with Published Content (42281 posts)

- Unassigned

Culture & Language

American Indians Art Awards Bestiary of Insults Books Conspiracy Theories Culture Ethics Film Food Futurology Gender Issues Humor Intellectuals Jews Language Literature Media Coverage Movies Music Newspapers Numismatics Philosophy Plagiarism Prisons Racial Issues Sports Tattoos Western Civilization World Communications


Capitalism Economics International Finance World Bank World Economy


Education Hoover Institution Journal Publications Libraries Universities World Bibliography Series


Biographies Conspiracies Crime Decline of West German Holocaust Historical Figures History Holocausts Individuals Japanese Holocaust Leaders Learning Biographies Learning History Russian Holocaust Turkish Holocaust


Afghanistan Africa Albania Algeria Argentina Asia Australia Austria Bangladesh Belgium Belize Bolivia Brazil Canada Central America Chechnya Chile China Colombia Costa Rica Croatia Cuba Cyprus Czech Republic Denmark East Europe East Timor Ecuador Egypt El Salvador England Estonia Ethiopia Europe European Union Finland France French Guiana Germany Greece Guatemala Haiti Hungary Iceland India Indonesia Iran (Persia) Iraq Ireland Israel/Palestine Italy Japan Jordan Kenya Korea Kosovo Kuwait Kyrgyzstan Latin America Liberia Libya Mali Mexico Middle East Mongolia Morocco Namibia Nations Compared Netherlands New Zealand Nicaragua Niger Nigeria North America Norway Pacific Islands Pakistan Palestine Paraguay Peru Philippines Poland Polombia Portugal Romania Saudi Arabia Scandinavia Scotland Serbia Singapore Slovakia South Africa South America Southeast Asia Spain Sudan Sweden Switzerland Syria Thailand The Pacific Tunisia Turkey Turkmenistan UK (United Kingdom) Ukraine USA (America) USSR/Russia Uzbekistan Venezuela Vietnam West Europe Yemen Yugoslavia Zaire


Balkanization Communism Constitutions Democracy Dictators Diplomacy Floism Global Issues Hegemony Homeland Security Human Rights Immigration International Events Law Nationalism NATO Organizations Peace Politics Terrorism United Nations US Elections 2008 US Elections 2012 US Elections 2016 Violence War War Crimes Within the US


Christianity Hinduism Islam Judaism Liberation Theology Religion

Science & Technology

Alcohol Anthropology Automotives Biological Weapons Design and Architecture Drugs Energy Environment Internet Landmines Mathematics Medicine Natural Disasters Psychology Recycling Research Science and Humanities Sexuality Space Technology World Wide Web (Internet)


Geography Maps Tourism Transportation


1-TRIBUTES TO PROFESSOR HILTON 2001 Conference on Globalizations Academic WAR Forums Ask WAIS Experts Benefactors Chairman General News Member Information Member Nomination PAIS Research News Ronald Hilton Quotes Seasonal Messages Tributes to Prof. Hilton Varia Various Topics WAIS WAIS 2006 Conference WAIS Board Members WAIS History WAIS Interviews WAIS NEWS waisworld.org launch WAR Forums on Media & Research Who's Who