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A Second Brexit Referendum? (Eugenio Battaglia, Italy, 05/21/19 2:19 pm)

This news has just arrived: a possible second referendum on Brexit!

I am very sorry; I never expected that the Britons could become the laughing stock of the world.

JE comments:  Brexit I is just one month shy of three years old, and there is more uncertainty than ever.  Do I understand this correctly--that if Parliament doesn't accept PM May's fourth attempt to approve a deal, the people will return to the polls?  Or is the threat of Brexit II simply a tactic to get Parliament to vote yes?

Let's hear from Nigel Jones on this.


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  • A Second Brexit Referendum? (John Heelan, UK 05/22/19 4:09 AM)
    Eugenio Battaglia (May 21st) asked about the possibility of a second Brexit referendum.

    This is the last roll of Theresa May's Brexit dice. Indications so far from the MPs is that it is likely to fail, not least because there is not enough time left to organise a second referendum (22 weeks) before the UK leaves the EU.


    Further, Northern Ireland and Scottish political parties (as well as Labour) have indicated that they would vote against the PM's new plan. (Some of us think that any second referendum should include the question of whether Scotland and Northern Ireland should be ejected from the UK, given that appears to be their underlying wish.) Both main political parties are expecting to lose political influence to Brexiteers in the EU parliamentary elections tomorrow (May 23rd). (As to Britons becoming the laughing stock of Europe, Eugenio might recall that there were allegations during WWII that the Italian Army had been issued with running shoes.)


    One wonders who are the real movers and shakers in today's politics, given that influences of both capitalism and communism ideologies can be detected in the so-called democracies of the the EU, the United States, the UK--and Italy?


    JE comments:  Two questions:  has there ever been a case of a nation-state "ejecting" one of its regions?  And why is the UK going through with the bother and expense of EU elections?


    (As for the "laughing stock" nations, the epithet has applied to nearly every country, although some more than others.  We Americans are certainly not immune.  Might this be an interesting topic for further discussion?)


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  • Will PM May Resign Soon? (Timothy Ashby, Spain 05/23/19 3:57 AM)
    I believe that Eugenio Battaglia was referring to Theresa May's "10-Point" plan for her latest version of the Brexit withdrawal bill, officially planned for a vote on June 7th, but now this may not take place. Allowing Parliament --not the people--to vote on a second referendum was one of the ten points.

    Again today the media is full of predictions from "senior Tories" that May will announce her resignation tomorrow, or next week, or before the summer recess. Such statements are as hackneyed as the MayBot's speeches (I attended a fundraising luncheon with her on Tuesday and her remarks were as lifeless and boring as those she has delivered hundreds of times previously--not a mention of Brexit though, possibly because she was aware that the would-be donors shared a collective anger over her mishandling of this and too many other vital issues). One prominent Tory described her a "hapless creature," a sorry example of the low state of UK politics.


    I think May will indeed depart from office very soon, precipitated by what will certainly be disastrous results for the Tories in today's EU elections (the results of which will be published on Monday). She won't depart easily--today's edition of The Times quoted a "former Very Senior Tory" as saying "She's pushed the sofa against the door of No 10."


    Boris Johnson is the odds-on favourite to succeed her, but he will probably disappoint Brexiteers as my sources advise that he doesn't really want a "no-deal" Brexit and is likely to "pivot" once he's in office. Regardless of who becomes the next Conservative leader, he or she will not be able to resolve the intractable problems with withdrawal from the EU, or heal the bitterness and widening chasms within the Party and the electorate. Meanwhile, Jeremy Corbyn is biding his time while his Marxist Momentum group is actively working at the grassroots level to build up support among voters who feel abandoned politically and economically. The news that British Steel has gone into receivership along with the closure of Jamie Oliver's chain of restaurants at a cost of thousands of jobs could not have come at a worse time for the Conservatives.


    I predict that a General Election will be called to seek a way out of the Brexit chaos, resulting in a minority Labour government propped up by the Scottish National Party similar to the Northern Ireland DUP keeping the Tories in power now. The SNP's "deal" will involve another referendum for Scottish independence, which will pass. Bye-bye United Kingdom as we know it.


    On a lighter note, a McDonalds restaurant in Edinburgh has been ordered by the police not to sell milkshakes out of concern that attacking Nigel Farage with banana shakes is being promoted on social media. Photo below.


    JE comments:  "Milkshaking" is gaining traction in the UK as a form of political protest.  The tactics are sound:  milkshakes are cheaper and less conspicuous than cream pies.


    https://www.washingtonpost.com/world/2019/05/20/what-is-milkshaking-ask-brits-hurling-drinks-right-wing-candidates/?utm_term=.7c4a9e543b85



    Tim Ashby's insider reports on British politics are pure gold.  Thank you.

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