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Post What Do We Know about Tiananmen Death Toll? Deng Xiaoping Appraised
Created by John Eipper on 06/10/18 4:11 AM

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What Do We Know about Tiananmen Death Toll? Deng Xiaoping Appraised (Istvan Simon, USA, 06/10/18 4:11 am)

In reply to Paul Levine (6 June), I do not know how many people were killed in China around June 4, 1989, but it is fairly certain that the 10,000 figure is much closer to the truth than the ridiculous claims by the Chinese government.

As all dictatorial governments, The Chinese Communist Party lies more or less as much as Trump does. Deng Xiaoping was a great man in my opinion, but his actions ordering the Tiananmen massacre and then suppressing what occurred there by decree was callous and a major crime against China and humanity. I think so, but nonetheless, I also think that on balance, Deng Xiaoping did an enormous service for China, unlike Mao, who was just a horrible tyrant and murderer of tens of millions of Chinese.

Deng killed merely in the ten thousands, maybe about the same as Fidel Castro did, but on the other hand, he transformed China into the colossus it is today, so when I weigh the positives versus the negatives, I view him much much more favorably than unfavorably. Deng Xiaoping had merits and major redeeming features. Mao had none. He was just the worst mass murderer in human history.

JE comments:  "Merely tens of thousands" is disturbing accountancy, but next to Mao everybody seems Gandhi-like. 

Deng has been dead for 21 years.  Can we do a discussion on his legacy?  I'll start the ball rolling:  Deng's most famous quote, "to get rich is glorious," has one problem:  There's no proof he said it.  See below:


What's next?  Is someone going to debunk Et tu, Brute and Madam, I'm Adam?

Seriously, now.  Did Deng "transform" China or simply unfetter its economy, allowing the Chinese to transform themselves?

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