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Created by John Eipper on 10/30/17 12:34 PM

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Has the Danger of Catalonia Violence been Exaggerated? (José Ignacio Soler, Venezuela, 10/30/17 12:34 pm)

A very brief comment, regarding the present and future developments in Catalonia. Of course it has been a concerning and uncertain state of affairs, but nothing as serious or extreme, in terms of social disturbances or turmoil, as the international media and political commentators seem to perceive. Overstatement tends to be the norm.

I am almost 100% sure that Spanish society, together with the Catalonians, are very mature and they would not be tempted to resort to violence or any other form extremist brute force from either side.

I believe that Istvan Simon's opinion about the "stupid overreaction of the Spanish government" is biased and based on an ignorance of the facts, whether political, legal or historical. Istvan does not thoroughly understand the problem but is tempted to declare his opinions over it. The "stupid" reaction from Madrid is absolutely legal under the Spanish constitution, and it is the only reasonable response in these political circumstances. The Spanish government is not abusing Catalonia. Rather, it's perhaps the other way around.  Catalonia has been abusing of the government and Spanish society as a rule for a long time.

Istvan should have also mentioned that the Spanish government, besides they having removed the rebel Catalonian government, announced immediate democratic elections in December for a new parliament.

Madrid's "stupid" reaction is the only thing that could be done and that is the opinion of more respected international politicians and professionals than me. However, I agree with Istvan that this conflict will not lead to a civil war, and that the government's present measures would not address the real causes of the Catalonian problem and this would then resurface in the future.  However, at least it would be maintained under legality and civil limits.

By the way, John E commented on 29 October that "earlier today in Barcelona there was an anti-independence rally attended by 300,000."  He is partially right, except that the number estimated is more than one million; the 300,000 estimate is from the Guardia Urbana, an organization from the Barcelona council, often overestimating the independentist numbers and underestimating opposing rallies.

JE comments:  Has the media overblown the possibility of serious violence in Catalonia?  The scuffles reported so far seem to be coming from a handful of skinhead thugs, who were probably drunk.  An even more pointed question:  does the press want there to be violence, to give them a dramatic story reminiscent of the romantic days of passionate, fiery Spaniards?


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  • Puigdemont Flees to Brussels (Nigel Jones, -UK 10/31/17 4:30 AM)
    As an outside observer, it seems to me that the cowardly flight of Carles Puigdemont and his chief (ex-) Ministers to Belgium has completely extinguished the cause of Catalan independence...at least for now.

    Did Washington and Jefferson flee to (say) Cuba or Mexico after their Declaration of independence? Of course not! They stayed with their people and fought. What a bunch of yellow bellies Puigdemont & Co. have turned out to be.


    JE comments:  It would have been politically more effective for Puigdemont to go to jail, Mandela-like.  But jail is unpleasant and martyrdom isn't suited for everyone.  Can anyone explain the tactics behind Puigdemont's escape?  And why to the epicenter of EU governance?

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